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		<title>Comment on IPv6 usage is growing! Stay connected! by Ross Chandler</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/12/stay-connected/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 10:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I try to avoid making excuses when talking about IPv6 now.  Just keep it factual and treat its deployment as something not particularly remarkable that needs to be done as part of the network roadmap. Unlike past years I haven&#039;t got a joke back about it never happening and CGNAT winning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to avoid making excuses when talking about IPv6 now.  Just keep it factual and treat its deployment as something not particularly remarkable that needs to be done as part of the network roadmap. Unlike past years I haven&#8217;t got a joke back about it never happening and CGNAT winning.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 usage is growing! Stay connected! by IPv6 usage is growing! Stay connected! &#187; IPv6 Friday &#124; social web, IP networks and stuff &#124; Scoop.it</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/12/stay-connected/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>IPv6 usage is growing! Stay connected! &#187; IPv6 Friday &#124; social web, IP networks and stuff &#124; Scoop.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Work with IPv6 continues. I do see changes in my customer base. In every meeting, regardless of the topic, I get a question about &#8220;that IPv6 stuff&#8221;. People are curious on what&#039;s happening. My recent answer has been &#039;-It&#039;s ...&#160; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Work with IPv6 continues. I do see changes in my customer base. In every meeting, regardless of the topic, I get a question about &ldquo;that IPv6 stuff&rdquo;. People are curious on what&#039;s happening. My recent answer has been &#039;-It&#039;s &#8230;&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 and E-mail spam &#8211; we need to find new ways to block the bad guys! by Wim Godden</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/10/ipv6-spam/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>Wim Godden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally I believe the best solution is to provide IPv6 only on ISP networks, but not for inter-ISP communication. If we stick to IPv4-only for connections between mail servers, we can continue to use the current anti spam measures, while ISPs can provide IPv6 on their networks to customers, with the knowledge that if they receive a spam report they have a log of which user that specific IPv6 IP address was using.
In a way, it will eventually also force end users to use their ISP&#039;s mail server, because if these users don&#039;t have an IPv4 address, they can&#039;t use it to connect to mail servers outside their ISP network anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I believe the best solution is to provide IPv6 only on ISP networks, but not for inter-ISP communication. If we stick to IPv4-only for connections between mail servers, we can continue to use the current anti spam measures, while ISPs can provide IPv6 on their networks to customers, with the knowledge that if they receive a spam report they have a log of which user that specific IPv6 IP address was using.<br />
In a way, it will eventually also force end users to use their ISP&#8217;s mail server, because if these users don&#8217;t have an IPv4 address, they can&#8217;t use it to connect to mail servers outside their ISP network anymore.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business reasons for IPv6 by Marcio</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/09/business-reasons-for-ipv6/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a company that have a very good IPv4 Addresses plan reasons 1 to 4 are important only to external servers. In the future, reason 5 will be a problem for companies that don&#039;t migrate to IPv6 (possible problem with software that will need a specific caracteristic of IPv6)... How I can show to CEO that is important adopt IPv6 inside the company immediatly?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a company that have a very good IPv4 Addresses plan reasons 1 to 4 are important only to external servers. In the future, reason 5 will be a problem for companies that don&#8217;t migrate to IPv6 (possible problem with software that will need a specific caracteristic of IPv6)&#8230; How I can show to CEO that is important adopt IPv6 inside the company immediatly?</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 is insecure, not needed and not worth your attention. (Or is it?) by James Small</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/08/why-bother-with-ipv6/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>James Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Olle,

I hope it&#039;s not too late to comment on this.  So first of all, please don&#039;t let the nay-sayers discourage you, this is a great site that I look forward to reading at the end of every week.  Please keep up the great posts.

So let&#039;s take these one at a time:
1)  Stick with limited IPv6 deployments or don&#039;t deploy - Consider joining us on the IPv6 Hackers mailing list where Marc Heuse (the quoted source of the article) hangs out here:
http://lists.si6networks.com/listinfo/ipv6hackers/
On this list we have been discussing this article.  In a nutshell, Marc was somewhat misquoted, I know - shock right!  Also, Marc is frustrated with vendors like Microsoft who have dragged their feet to patch vulnerabilities.  He doesn&#039;t really believe that we shouldn&#039;t deploy IPv6.  However I agree that articles like this aren&#039;t helping.  However, I think hard core security researchers believe security is more important than anything else.  Even though they implicitly acknowledge that by not deploying IPv6 we are disincentivizing vendors to patch IPv6 because of lack of use.  I think Owen DeLong calls this the IPv6 death spiral.

2)  Business case for IPv6 is not interesting/no short term benefits - common objection.  However, I think you would agree that this isn&#039;t true.  First of all LTE is coming out in a big way and this fall Apple&#039;s iOS 6 and Android 4.0+ (already out) devices will be growing fast.  As you know, LTE is IPv6 so this will start bringing a lot more IPv6 traffic on the Internet.  I like to ask businesses - so, when your users start using IPv6 on their LTE mobile devices how will it impact their use of your network services?  I often get blank looks of disbelief.  Really?  You mean IPv6 is real?  Dooh!!!  In addition to business continutiy - how many of your users will be understanding if they can&#039;t get to something on the Internet because you didn&#039;t deploy IPv6?  The especially crucial reason for businesses to start deploying IPv6 now though is cost avoidance.  If you start now and figure out what needs to be upgraded you can plan for it and do it as part of your standard refresh cycle.  If you don&#039;t you&#039;ll be forced into rip and replace later.  Right now too, the usage of IPv6 on the Internet backbone isn&#039;t huge bit it&#039;s growing at a 2-3x rate per year so we don&#039;t have long to start rolling it out.  Businesses that wait will be scrambling to deploy at much greater cost.  Finally as is repeatedly pointed out to me you will discover key applications that don&#039;t and &quot;won&#039;t&quot; support IPv6.  I say that&#039;s awesome!  This always surprises the nay sayer.  I say to them, go back to the vendor and say you expect IPv6 support.  If they won&#039;t offer it then demand a discount.  Use it as leverage to get a better price.  Isn&#039;t this obvious?  If you start now you can deploy IPv6 without spending a lot.  However, the longer a business waits, the more the costs increase.

--Jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Olle,</p>
<p>I hope it&#8217;s not too late to comment on this.  So first of all, please don&#8217;t let the nay-sayers discourage you, this is a great site that I look forward to reading at the end of every week.  Please keep up the great posts.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s take these one at a time:<br />
1)  Stick with limited IPv6 deployments or don&#8217;t deploy &#8211; Consider joining us on the IPv6 Hackers mailing list where Marc Heuse (the quoted source of the article) hangs out here:<br />
<a href="http://lists.si6networks.com/listinfo/ipv6hackers/" rel="nofollow">http://lists.si6networks.com/listinfo/ipv6hackers/</a><br />
On this list we have been discussing this article.  In a nutshell, Marc was somewhat misquoted, I know &#8211; shock right!  Also, Marc is frustrated with vendors like Microsoft who have dragged their feet to patch vulnerabilities.  He doesn&#8217;t really believe that we shouldn&#8217;t deploy IPv6.  However I agree that articles like this aren&#8217;t helping.  However, I think hard core security researchers believe security is more important than anything else.  Even though they implicitly acknowledge that by not deploying IPv6 we are disincentivizing vendors to patch IPv6 because of lack of use.  I think Owen DeLong calls this the IPv6 death spiral.</p>
<p>2)  Business case for IPv6 is not interesting/no short term benefits &#8211; common objection.  However, I think you would agree that this isn&#8217;t true.  First of all LTE is coming out in a big way and this fall Apple&#8217;s iOS 6 and Android 4.0+ (already out) devices will be growing fast.  As you know, LTE is IPv6 so this will start bringing a lot more IPv6 traffic on the Internet.  I like to ask businesses &#8211; so, when your users start using IPv6 on their LTE mobile devices how will it impact their use of your network services?  I often get blank looks of disbelief.  Really?  You mean IPv6 is real?  Dooh!!!  In addition to business continutiy &#8211; how many of your users will be understanding if they can&#8217;t get to something on the Internet because you didn&#8217;t deploy IPv6?  The especially crucial reason for businesses to start deploying IPv6 now though is cost avoidance.  If you start now and figure out what needs to be upgraded you can plan for it and do it as part of your standard refresh cycle.  If you don&#8217;t you&#8217;ll be forced into rip and replace later.  Right now too, the usage of IPv6 on the Internet backbone isn&#8217;t huge bit it&#8217;s growing at a 2-3x rate per year so we don&#8217;t have long to start rolling it out.  Businesses that wait will be scrambling to deploy at much greater cost.  Finally as is repeatedly pointed out to me you will discover key applications that don&#8217;t and &#8220;won&#8217;t&#8221; support IPv6.  I say that&#8217;s awesome!  This always surprises the nay sayer.  I say to them, go back to the vendor and say you expect IPv6 support.  If they won&#8217;t offer it then demand a discount.  Use it as leverage to get a better price.  Isn&#8217;t this obvious?  If you start now you can deploy IPv6 without spending a lot.  However, the longer a business waits, the more the costs increase.</p>
<p>&#8211;Jim</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 for beginners by oej</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/08/ipv6-for-beginners/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>oej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the feedback! 

I hope you are right Zomgondo, that we can replace the NATs with proper firewalls. And yes, there will be more articles on various levels, from beginner to expert, from techie to manager levels. Trying to provide a bit of inspiration for everyone :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback! </p>
<p>I hope you are right Zomgondo, that we can replace the NATs with proper firewalls. And yes, there will be more articles on various levels, from beginner to expert, from techie to manager levels. Trying to provide a bit of inspiration for everyone <img src='http://ipv6friday.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 is insecure, not needed and not worth your attention. (Or is it?) by IPv6 for beginners &#187; IPv6 Friday</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/08/why-bother-with-ipv6/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>IPv6 for beginners &#187; IPv6 Friday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] are being deployed, servers that filter content, connect users and services. This seriously affects integrity, privacy and security on the net. It will also affect the speed of your [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 for beginners by R</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/08/ipv6-for-beginners/#comment-436</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we get an &quot;IPv6 for Experts&quot; next?  Maybe even if it&#039;s just pointers on things that network engineers/etc should be reading up on/learning about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we get an &#8220;IPv6 for Experts&#8221; next?  Maybe even if it&#8217;s just pointers on things that network engineers/etc should be reading up on/learning about?</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 for beginners by Zomgondo</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/08/ipv6-for-beginners/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>Zomgondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In regards to Question 7, the &quot;we need NAT!&quot; crowd was never taken seriously in IPv6 circles, so it&#039;s very unlikely you&#039;ll ever see it in production.  IPv6 capable routers are instead doing the sensible thing and simply ignoring inbound connection attempts instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to Question 7, the &#8220;we need NAT!&#8221; crowd was never taken seriously in IPv6 circles, so it&#8217;s very unlikely you&#8217;ll ever see it in production.  IPv6 capable routers are instead doing the sensible thing and simply ignoring inbound connection attempts instead.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 for beginners by IPv6 Friday: IPv6 for beginners &#124; Deploy360 Programme</title>
		<link>http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2012/08/ipv6-for-beginners/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>IPv6 Friday: IPv6 for beginners &#124; Deploy360 Programme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] someone just beginning with IPv6? Over on his IPv6 Friday site, Olle Johansson published an &#8220;IPv6 for beginners&#8221; post today that provides a nice checklist for individuals who want to get [...]]]></description>
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